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18 P106-100 & 1 P104-100 Mining Rig Build

18 P106-100 & 1 P104-100 Mining Rig Build

19 GPU Build with ASUS B250 Mining Expert - 470MH/s

Its my dream to achieve and build a mining rig of this extent.
Allow me to describe this journey of mine to the GPU mining community.
Kudos to all! Feel free to ask me questions and I would love to help you out.

2017 - Bull Market - Dipped my toes into the GPU mining market. Spent nearly 3k USD, 6x GTX 1060 3GB & 2x GTX 1070ti.

Back then, my setup was really simple, An ASUS B250 Mining Expert with Pentium G4400, 8GB of RAM, 2 PSU (Coolermaster 700w as well as a V1200W PSU)
Placed this entire setup on a DIY metal shelf
Bought extra 2 GTX 1060 3GB on my Ryzen 7 1700 setup back then. Mining Monero too on Cryptonight Algo. Really profitable on these 2 rigs combined. Earning approximately 35USD per day at the peak :)
Without much experience back then, my overclocking skills sucks. I was drawing a ton of power with very little efficiency. However, at that point I was literally making few hundreds every month. It has been a really wonderful journey until bear market hits.

2018 - Nicehash Hacked, Bitconnect & Bear Market Hits...

If you still remember the dreadful hack of Nicehash. One morning I woke up seeing that my rig was no longer mining. Saw my balance turned to zero. And the moment I saw this article, my heart sanked. With over 100 USD inside my account that point, I knew I wouldnt be able to pay for my electric that month. This pulled down my confidence but quite a little.
Still remember Bitconnect? Hahahaha well entered into this ponzi scheme too. Invested 100 USD into this, got it back and donated the money.
Disconnected my entire rig... It was a pretty sad moment :\")
My house became cooler, quieter and my power usage instantly went down.
Kept 1 GTX 1070ti & 1 GTX 1060 3GB and built myself a Ryzen 7 gaming computer hehe.

My disconnection from Crypto 2018-2019

I exited this market back at the very end of the bull run and never touched Bitcoin until 2019. I began to plan my future, created an investment portfolio where I finally included Bitcoin back into my high risk asset class. The resurgence of Bitcoin mining begans :)

2019 - Sold my Ryzen 7 1700 & MB for ASUS B250 Mining Expert with 19 GPU build in mind

It all started with my small mining rig of one ZOTAC GTX 1070ti as well as an ASUS B250 Mining Expert which I was using to mine Ethereum at 33MH/s, get paid 0.05eth approximately every 2 weeks on 2miners.com

Purchased 2 more GTX 1070ti, bringing my total hashrate to 130MH/s.
Revamped & Redesigned into a DIY rig. Didnt wanna spend the money to find a frame hehe decided to use my mums shoe rack instead HAHAHAH
Back then, 1 GTX 1070ti resale value was approximately 230 USD here in Singapore.
Calculated hash per dollar and I notice the insane price I was paying with my 1070tis.
Sold all 4 of my GTX 1070tis and manage to trade for the following cards:
  • x4 Gigayte RX 570 8GB cards @ 70USD
  • x1 Sapphire Nitro RX 570 8GB @ 85USD
  • x5 P106-100 6GB cards @ 63USD
4 Gigabyte RX 570, 1 Sapphire RX 570, 5 P106-100 6GB
With all the skills and experience I have accumulated in 2017, I began redesigning my entire 10 GPU setup. This was the end product of my 10 GPU mining rig consisting of 5 NVIDIA P106-100 6GB cards as wel as 5 AMD RX 570 8GB cards. Working fine alongside with one another as claimed by ASUS.
Hashrates:
  • NVIDIA P106-100 6GB: 24.8MH/s @ 85watts
  • AMD RX 570 8GB: 29MH/s @ 95watts

DEAL OF THE MONTH - ZOTAC P106-100 6GB @ 56 USD

The dream of building 19 cards were never off my brain. Been sourcing for cheaper 2nd hand cards and snap! 56 USD per card for ZOTAC P106-100. It was insanely a great deal. Sold my 5x RX 570 8GB, use the cash and baammm!
Got 8 ZOTAC P106-100 6GB (2 not in photo) for test. PERFECT CONDITION and I cant believe the speed I was getting in Ethereum. 450MH/S for 18x P106-100 6GB

2ND DEAL OF THE MONTH - P104-100 8GB @ 70 USD

Managed to achieve 35.9MH @ 124w. Bringing my total GPU to 19.

The screen all miners with B250s love to see :)
The entire setup of my 19 GPU rig. Fan is blowing at single direction, expelling all the hot air towards my door exit. Keeping my living room relatively cool.

Underclocked my rig to 466MH for better stability and power draw. Has been running fine for 2 weeks without any manual interventions.
Bought a HP 1200w PSU. Placed a 120mm fan on top of it to keep it cool. In case if you are asking how loud is it, actually its pretty quiet. I have only used 600w, half of the capacity. Hence, under full load I am not sure how loud it will be.

All in all, my journey of a 19 GPU build. Feel free to ask me any questions :)
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[USA-IA][H] 5x HD7970, Custom ITX Cases - 678 Cases [W] Paypal

For sale:
2x Power Color HD 7970 - $75 Each
3x Gigabyte HD7970 - $75 Each
Because some people care - This was part of the first mining rig my company ran. They mined Bitcoin directly before Asics were created. After that they sat in a Closet and honestly we just forgot about them. So they have been sitting for quite a while. I couldn't tell you how long.

678 Cases:
The case measures 6.5” tall x 7.5” D x 8.5” W. (Get it? 678….) The entire case is approximately 6.78 Liters. Boasting a unique bolt together design, and an all steel construction with ample airflow it provides excellent heat efficiency. Every 678 Case is industrial powder coated for extreme durability.
If you want the smallest PC possible with a discrete GPU and power supply built in, the 678 case is for you. So join the 678 family today!
Colors: Gloss White, Textured Black, Black/Green
Max component sizes: Motherboard – ITX Form Factor Power supply – Small Form Factor (SFF) required GPU – Length: 183mm / Height: 130mm CPU cooler – Height: 60mm Hard drive – No 2.5” or 3.5” Hard drive mounting is provided – m.2 is recommended External Fans – No external fan locations Water cooling – Not even remotely possible
What is in the box?
Price for white or Black:$100
Green:$80

Stamps: https://photos.app.goo.gl/86xFbgKT42cxoeep9
Glamour Shots Including a video of the parts being cut through the laser: https://photos.app.goo.gl/h7LH5MijTfpg2iUY8
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Why I don't buy Crypto anymore

Okay, it'll be a long post, so get ready. Been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post my thoughts.
I started working with crypto in 2017 after being curios for a couple of years. What I learned is that with further adoption still only a few people know about mining. Even I thought of mining as something so complex and impossible to understand that I didn't even try to get into it. I bought something like $200 of btc and tried trading to see how it essentially worked. I got me some alts but mainly traded bitcoin. In retrospective, I was pretty dumb and lost a bunch. Didn't fully understand the market and couldn't get profit neither when shorting or longing (also lost like a hunnid on margin trading). I then just kinda forgot about it for some time

Then a couple colleagues explained to me what mining actually is after i told them I was curios about crypto. I started doing research and found out that it's pretty easy even for a beginner. Of course you need proper tech (especially a good gpu) and at least some tech background, but it's nothing to be scared of. I learned more from Youtube this video from 3blue1brown but there are many others you can find, just search blockchain) and my friend answered other stupid questions I've had about mining.

So what exactly is my point? I think that many cryptoenthusiasts tend to forget about mining while caring too much for trading. I mean, look at it this way:

-You stay anonymous because you don't have to directly exchange dollars for btc
-You don't support the big players and do your own thing which makes it all more decentralized in the end
-you have financial independence (no need to pay for fees/gas/currency conversion)
And it's also cheaper. I found out that if you spend a 15 hundred on your own beginner rig, you'll get a stable and resellable profit machine. It's good to know what you're doing but thereare communities like reddit who would help you

Here's a post on /moneromining on mining vs buying crypto

Also a good read about different cases when buying and mining

It's also a great way to escape scammers cos as I said you don't have to deal with shady people who can easily steal your money which is pretty bad especially if crypto is outlawed in your country. It's safer than exchanges (as we all know judging by how many scams there were with fraudulent exchanges).
If you have a good rig you really invested in you can always resell it or use its' power for yourself (video/photo/music production or just playing games on it).

Buying crypto doesn't help this industry as mining and developing new solutions does. Many people buy and hodl while hoping for a bright future or try to trade while losing money every day.
And last but not least: It doesn't require your attention every minute of the day. It's more useful than holding because you continue to actively make money but it's much less stressful than trading.
You can try mining on your pc rn because you only need a good pool. I started with Nicehash (pretty good marketplace but cloudmining is not my thing) and Minergate (dead simple when it comes to mining). Bitcoin is not really profitable so maybe try ethereum classic or Monero, depending on your setup. Mind the heating issues (get a fan) and electricity costs. If you have any questions you can ask around here or pm me

TL;DR:
Mining is better when it comes to anonymity and making stable money in the long run. It's safer and there's less chance you get scammed. See my examples above
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I literally have tens of thousands of dollars in top-shelf hardware, looking to repurpose some before selling on eBay to build a NAS system, possibly a dedicated firewall device as well. o_O

Q1) What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games or programs you will be using.**

A1) This will be a dedicated NAS system for my home network. As such, I'm looking to have it:

- Host ##TB's of 720, 1080 & up resolution Movies and TV Shows I'm about to begin ripping from a MASSIVE DVD & Blueray collection I have.

- My kids are big on Minecraft. I understand it's possible to host your own "worlds" (or whatever they call the maps you can build) on your own "server". I think it would be pretty neat to offer them (& their friends - if can be done 'safely/securely') their own partition on one of my NAS HDD's.

- I also have accounts with a couple diff VPN companies... I understand it's possible (?) to sync said VPN's with a NAS, this might be a more relative topic on the next point/purpose...

- I'd like to be able to remotely link to this NAS for when I travel overseas and want to stream at my temp location from my house/this NAS.
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Q2) What is your maximum budget before rebates/shipping/taxes?**

* A2) Here's where I make matters more complicated than most others would... I've been an advocate for Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general since 2013. I invested in a small mining outfit back in 2014 (strictly Bitcoin/ASIC's). One of my buddies is the President of a large-scale mining operation (foreign and domestic) and he convinced me to dabble in the GPU mining-space. I made my first hardware purchase in Q4, 2017 and launched a small-scale GPU-Farm in my house since then. I had the rigs mining up until Q3 of 2018 (not cost-efficient to keep on, especially living in SoFlo) and since then, the hardware's been collecting dust (& pissing off my family members since they lost access to 3X rooms in the house - I won't let anyone go near my gear). One of my New Years Resolutions for 2019 was to clear out the house of all my mining equipment so that's all about to go up on eBay. So "budget" is relative to whatever I "MUST" spend if I can't repurpose any of the parts I already have on hand for this build... (Anyone having something I "need" and is looking to barter for one of the items I'll list later on in here, LMK).
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Q3) When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.**

A3) IMMEDIATELY! :)
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Q4) What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ToweOS/monitokeyboard/mouse/etc\)**

A4) Well I had a half-assed idea approximately 1 year ago that it might be wise to build a bunch of 'gaming rigs' to sell on eBay with my intended repurposed mining hardware so I went on a shopping spree for like 6 months. That said; I've got a plethora of various other components that aren't even unboxed yet. 90% of the items I've purchased for this additional project were items that were marked down via MIR (mail-in-rebates) & what-not...
AFAIK, there are only 3X items I absolutely do not have which I 'MUST' find. Those would be - 1) Motherboard which accepts "ECC RAM". 2) CPU for said MOBO. 3) Said "ECC RAM".\* 
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Q5) Which country (and state/province) will you be purchasing the parts in? If you're in US, do you have access to a Microcenter location?**

A5) I'm located in Southwest Florida. No Microcenter's here. Best Buy is pretty much my only option although I am a member of Newegg, Amazon & Costco if that makes any difference?
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Q6) If reusing any parts (including monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse/etc), what parts will you be reusing? Brands and models are appreciated.**

A6) In an attempt to better clean up this Q&A, I'm going to list the items I have on-hand at the end of this questionnaire in-case passers-by feel like this might be a TLDR.* (Scroll to the bottom & you'll see what I mean).
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Q7) Will you be overclocking? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line? CPU and/or GPU?**

A7) I don't think that's necessary for my intended purpose although - I'm not against it if that helps & FWIW, I'm pretty skilled @ this task already (it's not rocket science).
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Q8) Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)**

A8) As stated in A4; ECC RAM is non-negotiable... RAID seems like a logical application here as well.

- This will predominantly be receiving commands from MacOS computers. I don't think that matters really but figured it couldn't hurt to let you guys know.\*

- I'd also be quite fond of implementing "PFSENSE" (or something of that caliber) applied to this system so I could give my Netgear Nighthawks less stress in that arena, plus my limited understanding of PFSENSE is that it's ability to act as a firewall runs circles around anything that comes with consumer-grade Wi-Fi routers (like my Nighthawks). Just the same, I'm open to building a second rig just for the firewall.\*

- Another desirable feature would be that it draws as little electricity from the wall as possible. (I'm EXTREMELY skilled in this arena. I have "Kill-A-Watts" to test/gauge on, as well as an intimate understanding of the differences between Silver, Gold, Platinum and Titanium rated PSU's. As well as having already measured each of the PSU's I have on-hand and taken note of the 'target TDP draw' ("Peak Power Efficiency Draw") each one offers when primed with X amount of GPU's when I used them for their original purpose.\*

- Last, but not least, sound (as in noise created from the rig). I'd like to prop this device up on my entertainment center in the living room. I've (almost) all of the top-shelf consumer grade products one could dream of regarding fans and other thermal-related artifacts.

- Almost forgot; this will be hosting to devices on the KODI platform (unless you guys have better alternative suggestions?)
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Q9) Do you have any specific case preferences (Size like ITX/microATX/mid-towefull-tower, styles, colors, window or not, LED lighting, etc), or a particular color theme preference for the components?**

A9) Definitely! Desired theme would be WHITE. If that doesn't work for whatever reason, black or gray would suffice. Regarding "Case Size". Nah, that's not too important although I don't foresee a mini-ITX build making sense if I'm going to be cramming double digit amounts of TB in the system, Internal HDD's sounds better than a bunch of externals plugged in all the USB ports.
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Q10) Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? If you do need one included, do you have a preference?**

A10) I don't know. If I do need a copy of Windows, I don't have one so that's something I'll have to consider I guess. I doubt that's a necessity though.
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**Extra info or particulars:*\*

AND NOW TO THE FUN-STUFF... Here's a list of everything (PARTS PARTS PARTS) I have on-hand and ready to deploy into the wild &/or negotiate a trade/barter with:

CASES -
Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 Arctic White (Model# Crypto-Currency-9011048-WW) - (Probably my top pick for this build).
Cooler Master HAF XB EVO (This is probably my top 1st or 2nd pick for this build, the thing is a monster!).
Cooler Master Elite 130 - Mini ITX - Black
Cooler Master MasterBox 5 MID-Tower - Black & White
Raidmax Sigma-TWS - ATX - White
MasterBox Lite 5 - ATX - Black w/ diff. Colored accent attachments (included with purchase)
NZXT S340 Elite Matte White Steel/Tempered Glass Edition
EVGA DG-76 Alpine White - Mid Tower w/ window
EVGA DG-73 Black - Mid Tower w/ window (I have like 3 of these)

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CPU's -
***7TH GEN OR BELOW INTEL's ("Code Name Class mentioned next to each one)**\*
Pentium G4400 (Skylake @54W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "ECC CAPABLE"
Celeron G3930 (Kaby Lake @ 51W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "ECC CAPABLE" :)
i5 6402P (Skylake @65W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "NOT ECC CAPABLE" :(
i5 6600k (Skylake @ 91W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "NOT ECC CAPABLE" :(
i7 6700 (Skylake @ 65W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "NOT ECC CAPABLE" :(
i7 7700k (Kaby Lake @ 95W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "NOT ECC CAPABLE" :(


***8TH GEN INTEL's **\*
i3-8350K (Coffee Lake @91W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "ECC FRIENDLY" :)
I5-8600K (Coffee Lake @95W TDP) - Intel ARK states is "NOT ECC CAPABLE" :(


***AMD RYZEN's **\*
Ryzen 3 2200G
Ryzen 5 1600
Ryzen 7 1700X

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MOTHERBOARDS -

***7TH GEN AND BELOW INTEL BASED MOBO'S - **\*
MSI Z170A-SLI
ASUS PRIME Z270-A
ASUS PRIME Z270-P
ASUS PRIME Z270-K
EVGA Z270 Stinger
GIGABYTE GA-Z270XP-SLI
MSI B150M ARCTIC
MSI B250M MICRO ATX (PRO OPT. BOOST EDITION)

***8TH GEN INTEL BASED MOBO'S - **\*
EVGA Z370 FTW
GIGABYTE Z370XP SLI (Rev. 1.0)
MSI Z370 SLI PLUS


***AMD RYZEN BASED MOBO'S - **\*
ASUS ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING
MSI B350 TOMAHAWK
MSI X370 GAMING PRO
ASROCK AB350M PRO4
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RAM -

Way too many to list, nothing but 4 & 8GB DDR4 sticks and unfortunately, none are ECC so it's not even worth mentioning/listing these unless someone reading this is willing to barter. At which time I'd be obliged to send an itemized list or see if I have what they're/you're specifically looking for.\*
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THERMAL APPLICATIONS/FANS -
JUST FANS -
BeQuiet -
Pure Wings 2 (80mm)
Pure Wings 2 (120mm)
Pure Wings 2 (140mm)
Silent Wings 3 PWM (120mm)

NOCTUA -
PoopBrown - NF-A20 PWM (200mm) Specifically for the BIG "CoolerMaster HAF XB EVO" Case
GREY - NF-P12 Redux - 1700RPM (120mm) PWM
Corsair -
Air Series AF120LED (120mm)

CPU COOLING SYSTEMS -
NOCTUA -
NT-HH 1.4ml Thermal Compound
NH-D15 6 Heatpipe system (this thing is the tits)

EVGA (Extremely crappy coding in the software here, I'm like 99.99% these will be problematic if I were to try and use in any OS outside of Windows, because they barely ever work in the intended Windows as it is).
CLC 240 (240mm Water-cooled system
CRYORIG -
Cryorig C7 Cu (Low-Profile Copper Edition*)

A few other oversized CPU cooling systems I forget off the top of my head but a CPU cooler is a CPU cooler after comparing to the previous 3 models I mentioned.
I almost exclusively am using these amazing "Innovation Cooling Graphite Thermal Pads" as an alternative to thermal paste for my CPU's. They're not cheap but they literally last forever.

NZXT - Sentry Mesh Fan Controller
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POWER SUPPLIES (PSU's) -
BeQuiet 550W Straight Power 11 (GOLD)

EVGA -
750P2 (750W, Platinum)
850P2 (850W, Platinum)
750T2 (750W, TITANIUM - yeah baby, yeah)

ROSEWILL -
Quark 750W Platinum
Quark 650W Platinum

SEASONIC -
Focus 750W Platinum
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STORAGE -
HGST Ultrastar 3TB - 64mb Cache - 7200RPM Sata III (3.5)
4X Samsung 860 EVO 500GB SSD's
2X Team Group L5 LITE 3D 2.5" SSD's 480GB
2X WD 10TB Essential EXT (I'm cool with shucking)
+ 6X various other external HDD's (from 4-8TB) - (Seagate, WD & G-Drives)
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Other accessories worth mentioning -
PCI-E to 4X USB hub-adapter (I have a dozen or so of these - might not be sufficient enough &/or needed but again, 'worth mentioning' in case I somehow ever run out of SATA & USB ports and have extra external USB HDD's. Although, I'm sure there would be better suited components if I get to that point that probably won't cost all that much).
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Needless to say, I have at least 1X of everything mentioned above. In most all cases, I have multiples of these items but obviously won't be needing 2X CPU's, Cases, etc...

Naturally, I have GPU's. Specifically;

At least 1X of every. Single. NVIDIA GTX 1070 TI (Yes, I have every variation of the 1070 ti made by MSI, EVGA and Zotac. The only brand I don't have is the Gigabyte line. My partners have terrible experience with those so I didn't even bother. I'm clearly not going to be needing a GPU for this build but again, I'm cool with discussing the idea of a barter if anyone reading this is in the market for one.

I also have some GTX 1080 TI's but those are already spoken for, sorry.

It's my understanding that select CPU's I have on this list are ECC Friendly and AFAIK, only 1 of my MOBO's claims to be ECC Friendly (The ASROCK AB350M PRO4), but for the life of me, I can't find any corresponding forums that confirm this and/or direct me to a listing where I can buy compatible RAM. Just the same, if I go w/ the ASROCK MOBO, that means I'd be using one of the Ryzens. Those are DEF. power hungry little buggers. Not a deal-breaker, just hoping to find something a little more conservative in terms of TDP.


In closing, I don't really need someone to hold my hand with the build part as much as figuring out which motherboard, CPU and RAM to get. Then I'm DEFINITELY going to need some guidance on what OS is best for my desired purpose. If building 2X Rigs makes sense, I'm totally open to that as well...
Rig 1 = EPIC NAS SYSTEM
Rig 2 = EPIC PFSENSE (or the like) DEDICATED FIREWALL

Oh, I almost forgot... The current routers I'm using are...
1X Netgear Nighthawk 6900P (Modem + Router)
1X Netgear Nighthawk X6S (AC 4000 I believe - Router dedicated towards my personal devices - no IoT &/or Guests allowed on this one)
1X TP-Link Archer C5 (Router). Total overkill after implementing the Nighthawks but this old beast somehow has the best range, plus it has 2X USB ports so for now, it's dedicated towards my IoT devices.
---- I also have a few other Wi-Fi routers (Apple Airport Extreme & some inferior Netgear's but I can only allocate so many WiFi Routers to so many WiFi channels w/out pissing off my neighbors) On that note, I have managed to convince my neighbors to let me in their house/WiFi configuration so we all have our hardware locked on specific, non-competing frequencies/channels so everyone's happy. :)


Please spare me the insults as I insulted myself throughout this entire venture. Part of why I did this was because when I was a kid, I used to fantasize about building a 'DREAM PC' but could never afford such. To compensate for this deficiency, I would actually print out the latest and greatest hardware components on a word document, print the lists up & tape to wall (for motivation). I was C++ certified at the age of 14 and built my first PC when I was 7. At the age of 15 I abandoned all hope in the sector and moved on to other aspirations. This entire ordeal was largely based off me finally fulfilling a childhood fantasy. On that note = mission accomplished. Now if I'm actually able to fulfill my desires on this post, I'm definitely going to feel less shitty about blowing so much money on all this stuff over the last couple years.

TIA for assisting in any way possible. Gotta love the internets!


THE END.
:)

EDIT/UPDATE (5 hours after OP) - My inbox is being inundated with various people asking for prices and other reasonable questions about my hardware being up for sale. Not to be redundant but rather to expound on my previous remarks about 'being interested in a bartetrade' with any of you here...

I did say I was going to sell my gear on eBay in the near future, I also said I wanted to trade/barter for anything relative to helping me accomplish my OP's mission(s). I'm not desperate for the $$$ but I'm also not one of those people that likes to rip other people off. That said; I value my time and money invested in this hardware and I'm only willing to unload it all once I've established I have ZERO need for any of it here in my home first. Hence my writing this lengthy thread in an attempt to repurpose at least a grand or two I've already spent.

One of the most commonly asked questions I anticipate receiving from interested bodies is going to be "How hard were you on your hardware?" Contrary to what anyone else would have probably done in my scenario which is say they were light on it whether they were or weren't, I documented my handling of the hardware, and have no problem sharing such documentation with verified, interested buyers (WHEN THE TIME COMES) to offer you guys peace of mind.

I have photo's and video's of the venture from A-Z. I am also obliged to provide (redacted) electricity bill statements where you can correlate my photo's (power draw on each rig), and also accurately deduct the excess power my house consumed with our other household appliances. Even taking into consideration how much (more) I spent in electricity from keeping my house at a constant, cool 70-72F year-round (via my Nest thermostat). Even without the rigs, I keep my AC @ 70 when I'm home and for the last 1.5-2 years, I just so happened to spend 85% of my time here at my house. When I would travel, I'd keep it at 72 for my wife & kids.
Additionally; I had each GPU 'custom' oveunderclocke'd (MSI Afterburner for all GPU's but the EVGA's).*
I doubt everyone reading this is aware so this is for those that don't.... EVGA had the brilliant idea of implementing what they call "ICX technology" in their latest NVIDIA GTX GPU's. The short(est) explanation of this "feature" goes as follows:

EVGA GPU's w/ "ICX 9 & above" have EXTRA HEAT/THERMAL SENSORS. Unlike every other GTX 1070 ti on the market, the one's with this feature actually have each of 2/2 on-board fans connected to individual thermal sensors. Which means - if you were to use the MSI Afterburner program on one of these EVGA's and create a custom fan curve for it, you'd only be able to get 1/2 of the fans to function the way intended. The other fan simply would not engage as the MSI Afterburner software wasn't designed/coded to recognize/ communicate with an added sensor (let alone sensor'S). This, in-turn, would likely result in whoever's using it the unintended way having a GPU defect on them within the first few months I'd imagine... Perhaps if they had the TDP power settings dumbed down as much as I did (60-63%), they might get a year or two out of it since it wouldn't run as near as hot, but I doubt any longer than that since cutting off 50% of the cooling system on one of these can't be ignored too long, surely capacitors would start to blow and who knows what else...
(Warning = RANT) Another interesting side-note about the EVGA's and their "Precision-X" OveUnderclocking software is that it's designed to only recognize 4X GPU's on a single system. For miners, that's just not cool. My favorite builds had 8X and for the motherboards that weren't capable of maintaining stable sessions on 8, I set up with 6X. Only my EVGA Rigs had 3 or 4X GPU's dedicated to a single motherboard. Furthermore, and as stated in an earlier paragraph, (& this is just my opinion) = EVGA SOFTWARE SUCKS! Precision X wasn't friendly with every motherboard/CPU I threw at it and their extension software for the CLC Close-Loop-Cooling/ CPU water-coolers simply didn't work on anything, even integrating into their own Precision-X software. The amount of time it took me to finally find compatible matches with that stuff was beyond maddening. (END RANT).
Which leads me to my other comments on the matter. That's what I had every single 1070 ti set at for TDP = 60-63%. Dropping the power load that much allowed me to bring down (on average) each 1070 ti to a constant 110-115W (mind you, this is only possible w/ "Titanium" rated PSU's, Platinum comes pretty damn close to the Titanium though) while mining Ethereum and was still able to maintain a bottom of 30 MH/s and a ceiling of 32 MH/s. Increasing the TDP to 80, 90, 100% or more only increased my hashrates (yields) negligibly, like 35-36 MH/s TOPS, which also meant each one was not only pulling 160-180W+ (Vs. the aforementioned 115'ish range), it also meant my rigs were creating a significantly greater amount of heat! Fortunately for the GPU's and my own personal habits, I live in South Florida where it's hot as balls typically, last winter was nothing like this one. Increasing my yields by 10-15% didn't justify increasing the heat production in my house by >30%, nor the added electricity costs from subjecting my AC handlers to that much of an extra work-load. For anyone reading this that doesn't know/understand what I'm talking about - after spending no less than 2-3 hours with each. and. every. one. I didn't play with the settings on just one and universally apply the settings to the rest. I found the 'prime' settings and documented them with a label-maker and notepad. Here's the math in a more transparent manner:

*** I NEVER LET MY GPU's BREACH 61C, EVER. Only my 8X GPU rigs saw 60-61 & it was the ones I had in the center of the build (naturally). I have REALLY high power fans (used on BTC ASIC MINERS) that were sucking air from those GPU's which was the only way I was able to obtain such stellar results while mining with them. **\*
Mining at "acceptable" heat temps (not acceptable to me, but most of the internet would disagree = 70C) and overclocking accordingly brings in X amount of yields per unit. =
'Tweaking' (underclocking) the GPU's to my parameters reduced my yield per unit from -10-15%, but it SAVED me well over 30-35% in direct electricity consumption, and an unknown amount of passive electricity consumption via creating approximately 20%+ less heat for my AC handler to combat.

I say all this extra stuff not just for anyone interested in mining with their GPU's, but really to answer (in-depth) the apparent questions you people are asking me in PM's. Something else that should help justify my claims of being so conservative should be the fact I only have/used "Platinum and Titanium" rated PSU's. Heat production, power efficiency and longevity of the hardware were ALWAYS my top priority.* . I truly thought Crypto would continue to gain and/or recover and bounce back faster than it did. If this project had maintained positive income for 12 months+, I'd have expanded one of our sites to also cater to GPU mining on a gnarly scale.

Once I have my NAS (& possibly 2nd rig for the firewall) successfully built, I'll be willing/able to entertain selling you guys some/all of the remaining hardware prior to launching on eBay. If there's something you're specifically looking for that I listed having, feel free to PM me with that/those specific item(s). Don't count on an immediate response but what you can count on is me honoring my word in offering whoever asks first right of refusal when the time comes for me to sell this stuff. Fortunately for me, PM's are time-stamped so that's how I'll gauge everyone's place in line. I hope this extra edit answers most of the questions you guys wanted to have answered and if not, sorry I guess. I'll do my best to bring light to anything I've missed out on after I realize whatever that error was/is. The only way anyone is getting first dibs on my hardware otherwise is if they either offer compelling insight into my original questions, or have something I need to trade w/.

THE END (Round#2)


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Can you use your computer while mining? And some other newb questions.

I’m about to build a PC for:
I also just do general computer stuff, but have a laptop I would be able to do most of that on. But still, I’m sure on average I’d do 1-2 hours of tasks like emails, word processing, YouTube, facebook etc in between actual work.
In other words, I want to use my mining rig for real work 5-6 hours a day. I’m guessing gaming and video editing would stop me from mining. But what about the other stuff?
Also, the above is the priority. Do I need to set up my mining rig in a way that would compromise all that?
Is my rig likely to break from the constant use? Because the other uses are my livelihood. Should I get a seperate mining rig if I was thinking about doing this?
Looks like my GPU will be a Radeon VII, but could also end up being a 2080ti. Any thoughts on that? (And also, should I consider 2 cards?)
I’m thinking I’ll go with Bitcoin mining (mostly because at a glance it seems to be performing well again). Good choice, or too hard? Or are the above GPU’s suited to another coin?
And finally, do PCs and Macs with the same GPU’s hash at different rates?
Cheers. :)
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Understanding Crypto Mining | And perhaps a way to mitigate its impact on the PC gaming ecosystem

EDIT: Per the moderation staff, I'm adding in to the header what I'm using to make it easier for prospective miners.
  1. Go to https://www.nicehash.com/
  2. Create a login
  3. Download their software and run it (this used to be "????")
  4. Profit
Once you reach 0.002 BTC (about 7-10 days on my GTX 1060 + i7-7700k), you can transfer your earnings to Coinbase for free, and cash out. CB does have fees for conversion to Fiat (cash) and your percentage goes down with higher amounts. So don't cash out just because you can. Cash out when you have enough to buy something.
Also a note on taxes. I'm going to keep this simple.
Hi folks. I just want to thank those of you in advance who trudge through this post. It's going to be long. I will try to have a TLDR at the end, so just scroll down for the bolded text if you want Cliff's Notes.
Disclaimer: I'm a miner, sort of. I casually mine when I sleep/work, using my existing PC. It doesn't make much. I don't buy hardware for mining. But, I still wanted to post this disclaimer in the interest of fairness.
As we all know, cryptocurrency mining has had a devastating impact on the PC gaming ecosystem. The demand for GPUs for mining has lead to scarce availability and sky high prices for relevant hardware. But even hardware that is less desirable for mining relative to their peers (GTX 1050ti, 1080) has been impacted. Why? Because when gamers can't get the 1060 or 1070 that they desire, they gravitate en masse towards something that their finances will allow them to settle for.
But for all that we know about mining, there's still a LOT of myth and misinformation out there. And I blame this on the bigger miners themselves. They have a few tactics they're using to discourage competition. Now, why would they do this? Simply put, the more coins are mined, the harder the algorithms get. That means the same hardware mines a lower rate of cryptocurrency over time. If the mining rates were to get too low before new hardware (Volta/Navi) could be released, it would cause a massive depression in the cryptocurrency market. Most hardware would become unprofitable, and used GPUs would flood the market. Miners want to retain profitability on current hardware until the next generation hardware is out.
So, what tactics are they engaging in? Silence and manipulation. On the former, the bigger miners don't usually participate and contribute to the community (there are exceptions, and they are greatly appreciated). They're sponges, taking whatever the community provides without returning much to the community. On the latter, they post here, in this very sub occasionally. And they continue to push certain types of myth/misinformation to discourage other users from mining.
And why, of all people, would you discourage gamers from mining? It's because of the competition point mentioned above. If a massive number of gamers entered the cryptocurrency mining market, it could trigger a mining apocalypse. There's an estimated 3-4 million current-gen GPUs being used in 24/7 mining operations by dedicated miners. Now, how many current-gen GPUs are used by gamers? I'd bet at least an equal amount. But what about Maxwell and Kepler? Or all those GCN-based GPUs up through Fiji? Bottom line is that when you factor in all available profitable GPUs, gamers drastically outnumber dedicated miners (yes, Kepler and GCN 1.0 are still profitable, barely). And if a large number of those users started casually mining as I am, the following would occur:
  • difficulty would increase, lower output (profitability) for everyone involved
  • Coin creation would initially accelerate, and with no massive change to the market cap, that means per-coin value drops
  • when you factor in slower coin generation for individual miners, coupled with lower coin value, you get...
  • ROI length increase on GPUs, depressing their values, which would lead to lower prices and higher availability
Oh dear, someone just spilled the beans...
So naturally, misinformation needs to be spread. If dedicated miners can keep the uninformed, well, uninformed, they're less likely to join in. And I've seen variations of the following misinformation spread. Here's the common tropes, and my rebuttal.
Mining on your GPU will cause it to die prematurely.
I really wish we had a Blackblaze-equivalent for GPUs used in data centers. NOTHING punishes a GPU like full-time use in a data center. Not mining, not gaming, and not prosumer usage. And these companies pay thousands per GPU. Clearly, they're getting solid ROI for their use.
But let's talk about mining specifically. For my GTX 1060, I limit power to 80% (96W). Fan speed is at a constant 40% (that's in the same ballpark as your blower-style GPU in desktop usage). Temperature is a constant 75°C. That's gentle. Gaming hurts it more (start/stop on the fan, varying temps, quick rise at the start and fall at the end, varying loads, etc.).
And if GPUs did prematurely die from mining? One miner insisted that I'd never see an ROI on my 1060 (which cost me $240) because it would die before I could earn that amount. Yea, GPUs routinely die before hitting their ROI. That's why miners are buying $200 GPUs today for $500, or $400 GPUs today for $900. Because they don't generate enough to cover their MSRP, let alone their current gouged prices. /s
Common sense would dictate that miners are profitable, or they wouldn't mine. Therefore, GPUs are not dying prematurely. So, don't fall for this one. And yes, I've seen those photos of the 20-card Sapphire RMA. Mining data centers have THOUSANDS of cards. Just do an image search for a GPU mining farm. This is well within typical acceptable defect rates.
Power costs are too high for mining to be profitable.
Warning! Danger Will Robinson! Math ahead!
Where I live, electricity ranges from 9.5 cents per kilowatt hour (kw/hr), to 10.1 cents per kw/hr. Let's round to 10 cents. Power measured at the wall from my surge protector, while mining, shows just under 200W. (That's includes my tower, monitor, speakers, a dedicated NAS, a router, and PSU inefficiency). That also includes mining on both CPU and GPU.
At 200W per hour, that's 5 hours to hit 1kw/hr. That's 5kw/hr per 25 hours, so let's call it 5kw/hr per day. That is $0.50 per day total from that outlet (and most of this stuff would be running anyway). That's not even "over my existing costs," that's just out the door.
Bottom line is that electricity is cheap in many areas. The USA national average is currently ~12 cents per kw/hr (RIP Hawaii, at 33 cents). For most of the developed world, power costs are not prohibitive. Don't fall for this. If unsure, check your rates on your bill, and ask someone who can do math if you can't.
Casually mining isn't profitable
There's a big difference between "profit" and "getting rich." I have no expectations of the latter happening from what I'm doing. But "profit" is very much real. It's not power costs that derail profitability. It's all of the hidden fees. Many mining programs take a cut of your output. And then a cut to transfer to a wallet. And then there's a fee to transfer to an exchange. Oh, did you want to then convert to cash? We can...for a fee!
The trick is in finding outlets that allow you to minimize fees. I give up 2% of my output, transfer to my wallet for free, can transfer to an exchange for free, and don't plan to cash out every time I meet the minimum threshold (higher fees!). I instead plan to cash out at extended set intervals to minimize those fees.
NOTE: I am deliberately not listing the provider(s) that I use, because I don't want to be accused of being associated with them and/or driving business to them. I want this post to be about the big picture. But I will answer questions in the comments, provided the moderation staff here has no objections.
Bottom line is that with a mid-range GPU like mine, and without the benefit of CPU mining (it's just not worth it without a modern Core i7, or Ryzen 5/7), my GPU alone could make me ~$60-$75/mo in profit at current rates. Think of how many months/years you go between upgrades. Now, do the math. Needless to say, I'm now regretting not going bigger up front :)
It's too complicated for a casual miner, so don't bother
The old "go big or go home" saying, and it sort of piggy backs off the last one. And there is some truth in this. If you're going to be a big-time miner, you need mining programs (often dedicated to each algorithm and/or currency), multiple wallets, access to multiple exchanges, etc. It's daunting.
But for the casual, you don't need that. There are multiple providers who offer you a one-stop-shop. I have one login right now. That login gives me my mining software, which switches between multiple algorithms/coins, gives me a wallet, and lets me transfer to an outside wallet/exchange. My second login will be the exchange (something that lets me convert my currency to local cash) when my balance justifies it. Given the recent Robin Hood announcement, I'm biding my time to see what happens. This space is getting competitive (lower fees).
Bottom line, it's easier now than it ever was before. As I told someone else, "Once I finally started, I wanted to kick my own ass for waiting so long."
New GPUs are expensive, but if you just wait, there will be a buttload of cheap, used GPUs for you!
Miners learned from the last crash. There were two types of miners in that crash: those who sold their GPUs at a loss, and those who kept mining and made out like bandits on the upswing. Turns out, cryptocurrency really does mimic the stock market (for now).
We're going to look at Bitcoin (BTC) to explain this. No, miners don't mine BTC. But, BTC is commonly what most coins are exchanged for (it makes up roughly one third of the entire cryptocurrency market). And it's the easiest currency to convert to cash. So, when BTC rises or falls in price, the rest of the market goes with it. That includes all of the coins that GPU miners are actually mining.
In January 2017, when the current mining push started, BTC was worth roughly $900 per coin. It's now worth roughly (as of this post) $12,000 per coin, down from a December high of over $20,000 per coin. So yea, the market "crashed." It's also more than 12x the value it was a year ago, when miners dove in. You think they're going to bail at 12x the value? Son, I've got news for you. This market needs to truly crash and burn for them to bail (and that's where you come in!).
So, there's not going to be a flood of used GPUs from a sudden market crash. Again, they've learned from that mistake. Used GPUs will enter the market when they are no longer profitable for mining, and not before. Dedicated miners have lots of room for expansion. When Volta comes out, they're not selling their Pascal GPUs. They're building new Volta mining rigs alongside the Pascal ones, making money off each of them.
Conclusion/TLDR:
  • Mining is subject to diminishing returns. It gets harder over time on the same hardware.
  • PC gamers joining the market en masse could trigger an apocalypse in terms of difficulty
  • Due to this, it benefits pro miners to spread misinformation to discourage gamers from entering the mining game
  • Casually mining on your existing system is safe, easy, could help you pay for your next upgrade(s), and could also hurt the mining market in general (better availability/pricing on GPUs)
  • No, there's no flood of used Pascal/Polaris/Vega GPUs around the corner, as those are HIGHLY profitable even in a depressed market
Second Conclusion - Why do I (jaykresge) personally care?
Simply put, I'm disgusted by this. I was excited about flipping a few friends from consoles to PC gaming. I'm now seeing a reverse trend. One friend is gaming on an RX 560 waiting for prices to hit sanity. He's running out of patience. Others have bailed.
I view our dormant GPUs as the best weapon against cryptocurrency mining. Destroy it from the inside. It's win-win for most of us. Either we earn enough for more upgrades, or we depress pricing. Something's got to give.
In other words, y'all f*ckers better start mining, because I want Volta to be reasonably priced when it launches so I can get an EVGA x80 Hybrid to go with a G-Sync monitor. And if this doesn't happen, I'm going to be cranky!
Seriously though, thanks for reading. Bear with me as I go over this a few more times for typing/grammar. And I look forward to your comments.
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Why You Shouldn't Be Buying Crypto Right now

Okay, it'll be a long post, so get ready. Been lurking here for a while and finally decided to post my thoughts.
I started working with crypto in 2017 after being curios for a couple of years. What I learned is that with further adoption still only a few people know about mining. Even I thought of mining as something so complex and impossible to understand that I didn't even try to get into it. I bought something like $200 of btc and tried trading to see how it essentially worked. I got me some alts but mainly traded bitcoin. In retrospective, I was pretty dumb and lost a bunch. Didn't fully understand the market and couldn't get profit neither when shorting or longing (also lost like a hunnid on margin trading). I then just kinda forgot about it for some time

Then a couple colleagues explained to me what mining actually is after i told them I was curios about crypto. I started doing research and found out that it's pretty easy even for a beginner. Of course you need proper tech (especially a good gpu) and at least some tech background, but it's nothing to be scared of. I learned more from Youtube this video from 3blue1brown but there are many others you can find, just search blockchain) and my friend answered other stupid questions I've had about mining.

So what exactly is my point? I think that many cryptoenthusiasts tend to forget about mining while caring too much for trading. I mean, look at it this way:

-You stay anonymous because you don't have to directly exchange dollars for btc
-You don't support the big players and do your own thing which makes it all more decentralized in the end
-you have financial independence (no need to pay for fees/gas/currency conversion)
And it's also cheaper. I found out that if you spend a 15 hundred on your own beginner rig, you'll get a stable and resellable profit machine. It's good to know what you're doing but thereare communities like reddit who would help you

Here's a post on /moneromining on mining vs buying crypto

Also a good read about different cases when buying and mining

It's also a great way to escape scammers cos as I said you don't have to deal with shady people who can easily steal your money which is pretty bad especially if crypto is outlawed in your country. It's safer than exchanges (as we all know judging by how many scams there were with fraudulent exchanges).

If you have a good rig you really invested in you can always resell it or use its' power for yourself (video/photo/music production or just playing games on it).

Buying crypto doesn't help this industry as mining and developing new solutions does. Many people buy and hodl while hoping for a bright future or try to trade while losing money every day.

And last but not least: It doesn't require your attention every minute of the day. It's more useful than holding because you continue to actively make money but it's much less stressful than trading.

You can try mining on your pc rn because you only need a good pool. I started with Nicehash (pretty good marketplace but cloudmining is not my thing) and Minergate (dead simple when it comes to mining). Bitcoin is not really profitable so maybe try ethereum classic or Monero, depending on your setup. Mind the heating issues (get a fan) and electricity costs. If you have any questions you can ask around here or pm me

TL;DR:
Mining is better when it comes to anonymity and making stable money in the long run. It's safer and there's less chance you get scammed. See my examples above

edit: fixed the formatting
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Regarding Threads on Bitmain and ASIC Resistance (Mega Thread!)

Guys,
Let’s take a minute to talk about what’s going on. We need to make sure all users are on the same page and the falsifications and assumptions stop.
I'm with you, and I understand that you feel betrayed. However, cleaning up after the constant bickering for those pro-fork and those anti-fork is growing tiresome. It's time we have a civil discussion and talk about facts.

Timeline of events

On 03/31/2018, a user from Ethfans.org posted a video on Telegram of a supposed Ethash ASIC. The video made its way to /Ethermining in a thread. It is important to mention that these values can be modified by changing “get_miner_status.cgi” and “minerStatus.cgi” and that there has been no credible evidence that has popped up in the nine days following the release of the supposed leak. Additionally, the following abnormalities should be noted:
Also on 3/31/2018, a user on Russian site Bits.media noticed that the pre-order for the Bitmain E3 was already up. It was believed to be an April fools joke; needless to say, it wasn’t.
On 04/02/2018, Bitmain launched the E3 and began taking pre-orders for a June delivery. At that time, the price was $800 and promised a hashing power of 180MH/s at 800 watts.
On 04/06/2018, Ethereum core developers decided against hard-forking Ethereum at this time, as they weren't convinced that it would positively impact the community given a hard-fork's disruption and the unknown of how the ASIC worked (specifically if it was programmable). The community became upset over broken promises of ASIC resistance, and this has since spread to a full out finger pointing of who is wrong.
On 04/08/2018, an apparently forged photo showed up showing a higher-hashing ASIC with far less power consumption. This is not only very unlikely, but the link in the photo was gibberish, whereas the E3's link was valid. We're writing that one up as FUD.

The "ASIC Resistance" Argument

At this point, I think that it’s I think it's important that we visit some key points of the Ethereum project. A lot of people have been quoting the whitepaper, calling ETH ASIC-proof and implying that the developers do not care about the problem.
In actuality, Ethereum never promised that it would be ASIC-proof, merely that it would provide an economic incentive to be resistant to the development of an ASIC. I'd like to produce a quote from the Ethereum Wiki, found here.
Ultimately, perfect ASIC resistance is impossible; there are always portions of circuits that are going to be unused by any specific algorithm and that can be trimmed to cut costs in a specialized device. However, what we are looking for is not perfect ASIC resistance but rather economic ASIC resistance.
...
The problem is that measuring an economy in a secure way is a difficult problem. The most obvious metric that the system has access to is mining difficulty, but mining difficulty also goes up with Moore's law and in the short term with ASIC development, and there is no known way to estimate the impact of Moore's law alone and so the currency cannot know if its difficulty increased by 10x due to better hardware, a larger user volume or a combination of both. Other metrics, such as transaction count, are potentially gameable by entities that want the supply to change in a particular direction (generally, holders want a lower supply, miners want a higher supply).
This is solidified by revisiting the whitepaper, specifically the section which identifies how ASICs will be economically stymied:
This model is untested, and there may be difficulties along the way in avoiding certain clever optimizations when using contract execution as a mining algorithm. However, one notably interesting feature of this algorithm is that it allows anyone to "poison the well", by introducing a large number of contracts into the blockchain specifically designed to stymie certain ASICs. The economic incentives exist for ASIC manufacturers to use such a trick to attack each other. Thus, the solution that we are developing is ultimately an adaptive economic human solution rather than purely a technical one.
So with the Ethereum team providing only an economic reason to not develop an ASIC since the beginning, there has been no lie.

Second batch of E3s will not be profitable with Ethereum

As a response to the developers announcing that they are not initiating a hard fork, Bitmain raised the price of the second batch of E3s to $1800. With a PSU ($105) and shipping costs ($225), plus duty fees ($25). That brings each E3 up to $2,155, or $11.97 per MH.
Comparatively, this is like paying $300 per GPU ($1800) plus Mobo/PSU/risers ($355). I have built rigs with similar hashrates for under $1,900 ($10.50 per MH).
If we speculate that Casper is as close as we think (see below), coupled with the rising difficulty, the second batch of E3s are not likely to break-even with Ethereum as a whole. If ETH rises to its ATH, the second batch units may be profitable. Tis the risk of mining.

Current speculation:

  • ASICs are bad!
    • In the Ethereum mining community, ASICs to be viewed as a formidable commodity, when they should rather be viewed as a tool. Tools are never inherently good or bad, but how they are used can be, and some developers intend for the coin to eventually be used with an ASIC. Some coins, such as Sia, were designed to specifically work with an ASIC. > 51% centralization is bad.
  • Bitmain has a better ASIC.
    • Probably. But this is an unknown. Speculation of an ASIC is not a reason to fork the second largest cryptocurrency.
  • Bitmain will be a cause for centralization
    • Everything should be a concern for centralization. Hell, early miners can be a bigger concern. The principals of economies of scale still apply to mining; so those who started out with a lot of GPUs are heavily mining. I've set up warehouses full of GPUs for clients, so if you think some of the guys here are big shots, I promise you there are larger concerns for the current state of centralization.
    • I will also note that yes, we will need to worry about a mass-manufacturer of just ASICs, especially if they are pumping out > 30,000 units per month at the current rate. But the firm that uncovered Bitmain's ASIC, Susquehannah, claims that there are at least three other ASIC manufacturers out there. This puts some silent competition on Bitmain.
  • Ethereum is not as centralized as Bitcoin
    • You'd think that, and the goal of the whitepaper was for Ethereum to be less centralized as bitcoin. It even mentions that "three mining pools indirectly control roughly 50% of processing power in the Bitcoin network." Ethereum is in this state already. Ethermine controls ~28% of the network hashrate, F2pool has ~17%, and SparkPool has ~15%. Arguably, the Ethereum network is in a more sensitive state.
  • Casper is right around the corner.
    • This has been speculation for some time now. Developers confirmed that testnet should be fully operational by August, meaning that we may be able to expect PoS hybrid by DecembeJanuary assuming everything goes as planned.
  • Dev team does not care about miners
    • In the project's current state, miners are a necessity. Remember that seigniorage must be sinigicant enough for miners to continue mining, otherwise, the network would slow and we'd have another Crypto Kitties incident on our hands. Until Ethereum is PoS, you are valid.
  • Dev team wants to get rid of miners
    • Well, yeah. That's what PoS is about. Ethereum will not be Proof of Work forever and that needs to be appreciated.
  • We should fork ourselves into an ASIC-proof currency
    • Do it! Take some initiative and work up a team, I'll be happy to help and support in any way that I can, including pointing my hashing power your way.

Ethereum decision governance

Right now, large decisions are made by the Ethereum core developers. This last decision to not hard-fork was not well received by the community. It feels to be almost an "electoral college" kind of deal, and that's something that has upset a lot of people. Is this the topic that we need to discuss in more detail?

So what is this thread?

For now, this is going to replace our weekly discussion for a few weeks until everything calms down. The sub is in a volatile state and everyone is slinging FUD at everyone else. We need to clean up and calmly discuss our position on the matter at hand. This means:
  • No more fighting about the ASIC in the comments
  • OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD, please do not shitpost. Meaning, no more strongly worded threads about how you're out of mining completely because of the ASIC, or how the developers screwed you over because ETH was supposed to be ASIC proof, or how people are whining. I'm deleting threads left and right for people who are just using the sub as an outlet to name call on both sides.
  • As always, constructive threads are welcome, but shitposts are to be confined to this thread, please.

We all have different opinions

I am going to remain neutral on this topic. I mine with both GPUs and ASICs, and I've worked with countless numbers of people who do as well. We need to cooperate as a community instead of tearing each other apart over the issue. Let's think before we post and keep comments constructive.
Happy mining!
  • Rob
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Understanding Crypto Mining | And perhaps a way to mitigate its impact on the PC gaming ecosystem

This is a crosspost from /hardware, but I will be editing this independently based on community feedback and guidelines. Prior to posting here, I reached out to your local mod staff to ensure that I wasn't stepping on any toes, given the nature of its content. I hope you find this useful.
Hi folks. I just want to thank those of you in advance who trudge through this post. It's going to be long. I will try to have a TLDR at the end, so just scroll down for the bolded text if you want Cliff's Notes.
Disclaimer: I'm a miner, sort of. I casually mine when I sleep/work, using my existing PC. It doesn't make much. I don't buy hardware for mining. But, I still wanted to post this disclaimer in the interest of fairness.
As we all know, cryptocurrency mining has had a devastating impact on the PC gaming ecosystem. The demand for GPUs for mining has lead to scarce availability and sky high prices for relevant hardware. But even hardware that is less desirable for mining relative to their peers (GTX 1050ti, 1080) has been impacted. Why? Because when gamers can't get the 1060 or 1070 that they desire, they gravitate en masse towards something that their finances will allow them to settle for.
But for all that we know about mining, there's still a LOT of myth and misinformation out there. And I blame this on the bigger miners themselves. They have a few tactics they're using to discourage competition. Now, why would they do this? Simply put, the more coins are mined, the harder the algorithms get. That means the same hardware mines a lower rate of cryptocurrency over time. If the mining rates were to get too low before new hardware (Volta/Navi) could be released, it would cause a massive depression in the cryptocurrency market. Most hardware would become unprofitable, and used GPUs would flood the market. Miners want to retain profitability on current hardware until the next generation hardware is out.
So, what tactics are they engaging in? Silence and manipulation. On the former, the bigger miners don't usually participate and contribute to the community (there are exceptions, and they are greatly appreciated). They're sponges, taking whatever the community provides without returning much to the community. On the latter, they post here, in this very sub occasionally. And they continue to push certain types of myth/misinformation to discourage other users from mining.
And why, of all people, would you discourage gamers from mining? It's because of the competition point mentioned above. If a massive number of gamers entered the cryptocurrency mining market, it could trigger a mining apocalypse. There's an estimated 3-4 million current-gen GPUs being used in 24/7 mining operations by dedicated miners. Now, how many current-gen GPUs are used by gamers? I'd bet at least an equal amount. But what about Maxwell and Kepler? Or all those GCN-based GPUs up through Fiji? Bottom line is that when you factor in all available profitable GPUs, gamers drastically outnumber dedicated miners (yes, Kepler and GCN 1.0 are still profitable, barely). And if a large number of those users started casually mining as I am, the following would occur:
  • difficulty would increase, lower output (profitability) for everyone involved
  • Coin creation would initially accelerate, and with no massive change to the market cap, that means per-coin value drops
  • when you factor in slower coin generation for individual miners, coupled with lower coin value, you get...
  • ROI length increase on GPUs, depressing their values, which would lead to lower prices and higher availability
Oh dear, someone just spilled the beans...
So naturally, misinformation needs to be spread. If dedicated miners can keep the uninformed, well, uninformed, they're less likely to join in. And I've seen variations of the following misinformation spread. Here's the common tropes, and my rebuttal.
Mining on your GPU will cause it to die prematurely.
I really wish we had a Blackblaze-equivalent for GPUs used in data centers. NOTHING punishes a GPU like full-time use in a data center. Not mining, not gaming, and not prosumer usage. And these companies pay thousands per GPU. Clearly, they're getting solid ROI for their use.
But let's talk about mining specifically. For my GTX 1060, I limit power to 80% (96W). Fan speed is at a constant 40% (that's in the same ballpark as your blower-style GPU in desktop usage). Temperature is a constant 75°C. That's gentle. Gaming hurts it more (start/stop on the fan, varying temps, quick rise at the start and fall at the end, varying loads, etc.).
And if GPUs did prematurely die from mining? One miner insisted that I'd never see an ROI on my 1060 (which cost me $240) because it would die before I could earn that amount. Yea, GPUs routinely die before hitting their ROI. That's why miners are buying $200 GPUs today for $500, or $400 GPUs today for $900. Because they don't generate enough to cover their MSRP, let alone their current gouged prices. /s
Common sense would dictate that miners are profitable, or they wouldn't mine. Therefore, GPUs are not dying prematurely. So, don't fall for this one. And yes, I've seen those photos of the 20-card Sapphire RMA. Mining data centers have THOUSANDS of cards. Just do an image search for a GPU mining farm. This is well within typical acceptable defect rates.
Power costs are too high for mining to be profitable.
Warning! Danger Will Robinson! Math ahead!
Where I live, electricity ranges from 9.5 cents per kilowatt hour (kw/hr), to 10.1 cents per kw/hr. Let's round to 10 cents. Power measured at the wall from my surge protector, while mining, shows just under 200W. (That's includes my tower, monitor, speakers, a dedicated NAS, a router, and PSU inefficiency). That also includes mining on both CPU and GPU.
At 200W per hour, that's 5 hours to hit 1kw/hr. That's 5kw/hr per 25 hours, so let's call it 5kw/hr per day. That is $0.50 per day total from that outlet (and most of this stuff would be running anyway). That's not even "over my existing costs," that's just out the door.
Bottom line is that electricity is cheap in many areas. The USA national average is currently ~12 cents per kw/hr (RIP Hawaii, at 33 cents). For most of the developed world, power costs are not prohibitive. Don't fall for this. If unsure, check your rates on your bill, and ask someone who can do math if you can't.
Casually mining isn't profitable
There's a big difference between "profit" and "getting rich." I have no expectations of the latter happening from what I'm doing. But "profit" is very much real. It's not power costs that derail profitability. It's all of the hidden fees. Many mining programs take a cut of your output. And then a cut to transfer to a wallet. And then there's a fee to transfer to an exchange. Oh, did you want to then convert to cash? We can...for a fee!
The trick is in finding outlets that allow you to minimize fees. I give up 2% of my output, transfer to my wallet for free, can transfer to an exchange for free, and don't plan to cash out every time I meet the minimum threshold (higher fees!). I instead plan to cash out at extended set intervals to minimize those fees.
NOTE: I am deliberately not listing the provider(s) that I use, because I don't want to be accused of being associated with them and/or driving business to them. I want this post to be about the big picture. But I will answer questions in the comments, provided the moderation staff here has no objections.
Bottom line is that with a mid-range GPU like mine, and without the benefit of CPU mining (it's just not worth it without a modern Core i7, or Ryzen 5/7), my GPU alone could make me ~$60-$75/mo in profit at current rates. Think of how many months/years you go between upgrades. Now, do the math. Needless to say, I'm now regretting not going bigger up front :)
It's too complicated for a casual miner, so don't bother
The old "go big or go home" saying, and it sort of piggy backs off the last one. And there is some truth in this. If you're going to be a big-time miner, you need mining programs (often dedicated to each algorithm and/or currency), multiple wallets, access to multiple exchanges, etc. It's daunting.
But for the casual, you don't need that. There are multiple providers who offer you a one-stop-shop. I have one login right now. That login gives me my mining software, which switches between multiple algorithms/coins, gives me a wallet, and lets me transfer to an outside wallet/exchange. My second login will be the exchange (something that lets me convert my currency to local cash) when my balance justifies it. Given the recent Robin Hood announcement, I'm biding my time to see what happens. This space is getting competitive (lower fees).
Bottom line, it's easier now than it ever was before. As I told someone else, "Once I finally started, I wanted to kick my own ass for waiting so long."
New GPUs are expensive, but if you just wait, there will be a buttload of cheap, used GPUs for you!
Miners learned from the last crash. There were two types of miners in that crash: those who sold their GPUs at a loss, and those who kept mining and made out like bandits on the upswing. Turns out, cryptocurrency really does mimic the stock market (for now).
We're going to look at Bitcoin (BTC) to explain this. No, miners don't mine BTC. But, BTC is commonly what most coins are exchanged for (it makes up roughly one third of the entire cryptocurrency market). And it's the easiest currency to convert to cash. So, when BTC rises or falls in price, the rest of the market goes with it. That includes all of the coins that GPU miners are actually mining.
In January 2017, when the current mining push started, BTC was worth roughly $900 per coin. It's now worth roughly (as of this post) $12,000 per coin, down from a December high of over $20,000 per coin. So yea, the market "crashed." It's also more than 12x the value it was a year ago, when miners dove in. You think they're going to bail at 12x the value? Son, I've got news for you. This market needs to truly crash and burn for them to bail (and that's where you come in!).
So, there's not going to be a flood of used GPUs from a sudden market crash. Again, they've learned from that mistake. Used GPUs will enter the market when they are no longer profitable for mining, and not before. Dedicated miners have lots of room for expansion. When Volta comes out, they're not selling their Pascal GPUs. They're building new Volta mining rigs alongside the Pascal ones, making money off each of them.
Conclusion/TLDR:
  • Mining is subject to diminishing returns. It gets harder over time on the same hardware.
  • PC gamers joining the market en masse could trigger an apocalypse in terms of difficulty
  • Due to this, it benefits pro miners to spread misinformation to discourage gamers from entering the mining game
  • Casually mining on your existing system is safe, easy, could help you pay for your next upgrade(s), and could also hurt the mining market in general (better availability/pricing on GPUs)
  • No, there's no flood of used Pascal/Polaris/Vega GPUs around the corner, as those are HIGHLY profitable even in a depressed market
Second Conclusion - Why do I (jaykresge) personally care?
Simply put, I'm disgusted by this. I was excited about flipping a few friends from consoles to PC gaming. I'm now seeing a reverse trend. One friend is gaming on an RX 560 waiting for prices to hit sanity. He's running out of patience. Others have bailed.
I view our dormant GPUs as the best weapon against cryptocurrency mining. Destroy it from the inside. It's win-win for most of us. Either we earn enough for more upgrades, or we depress pricing. Something's got to give.
In other words, y'all f*ckers better start mining, because I want Volta to be reasonably priced when it launches so I can get an EVGA x80 Hybrid to go with a G-Sync monitor. And if this doesn't happen, I'm going to be cranky!
Seriously though, thanks for reading.
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Not So Brief History of my Radeon HD7950 ASUS Direct CU II

Sexy Beast Pic 1: https://i.imgur.com/dQC90.jpg
Sexy Beast Pic 2: http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/1839/7970-dc2-top.jpg
ASUS HD7950 Direct CU II. This card mined 1.5-3 BTC Bitcoin for me. Started with Bitcoin, then mined Litecoin in the early days of Litecoin GPU mining. Had 2 X ASUS HD7950s running 24/7/365 at the time. Each did about 3 BTC each total, and then switched full time to LTC Litecoin. This card was also used for CS gaming, 3D rendering, real time graphics, some video editing, and yes, yes more mining! Still RUNNING today! AMD FTW!
After some test mining Litecoin for a month, I quickly built 2 more Radeon GPU rigs to mine LTC. Total 3 rigs 12 cards. Blazin! Then in Dec 2013 this setup mined millions of Dogecoin in a few days shortly after launch,... I remember raking in over 300-500K DOGE / day at full throttle. We setup our own Doge Pool, and DOGE miners were chatting on IRC: The Excitement was REAL!
This fun SUCH DOGE WOW time was cut short by a massive ice storm that knocked out the power for a week. So no more DOGE. When I got back online diff was up and production down to 30K per day or less, but DOGE price skyrocketed so I sold DOGE for a good profit.
I remember donating DOGE to send the Jamaican Bobsleigh Team to the 2014 Winter Olympics, and they made it to Sochi! What a time to be alive! I was a DOGE Millionaire by then... Such Card, Much DOGE! WOW!
Shortly after that, around March 2014 the second HD7950 blew some caps and need to be sent to ASUS for service. ASUS promptly replaced the card under 3 year warranty and shipped a replacement in two weeks. Mining frenzy continued with FeatherCoin and PotCoin. DGB Digibyte was the next chapter! ;]
In summer 2015 I decided to part with one of them. Sold on Kijiji to a local fellow gamer that had his video card blow up, and didn't have enough $ to buy a new one. Gave him a deal. The guy was so happy, it was like Xmas for him. I knew that this ASUS 7950 will have a great home. So I said Good Bye to engine #2.
When this card is retired I will box it for display. Been through so much with it, still my number 1 engine. When something is this good, you keep it in the Fam'. Still works great. Thank you ASUS & AMD for making kick ass products! Over & Out! Peace! ;]
Jamaican Bobsleigh Team
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25 MIL DOGE + 35 BTC raised for Jamaica Bobsleigh Team
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Jamaican Bobsleigh Team Raises $30k in Dogecoins, Jan 20, 2014
https://www.coindesk.com/jamaican-bobsleigh-team-raises-30000-dogecoins/
DOGE Meme in HD:
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Made $1 Million mining. Want to Cash out. worried about being unemployed

Basically back in early 2016, I bought some second hand Radeon 7970s and r9 280x and been mining ETH since it pretty much launched. Back then you basically made like 1 ETH per GPU per day. Back then a 280x mined at like 27MH/s since the DAG was very small. Even my R9 270X mined at like 20MH/s.
I kept all this ETH, along with the free ETC, sold all of my ETH/ETC when it peaked at $400 last Summer and went all in BTC. BTC went 5x since that time. Also got the free bitcoin forks.
I kept cashing out a small amount with bitcoin ATMs and basically quit my job since it wasn't worth the hassle.
Now I want to buy a house but I am worried about sending $1,000,000 to an exchange like Gemini/Coinbase/Kraken/Bitstamp and have them freeze this BTC.
I am worried they will ask for employment papers and I've been unemployed since 2016.
All this money was made legally. However since I mined to an exchange instead of my personal ETH wallet, I might not be able to provide a signed message proving I am the one who mined those coins. Since all the coins were mined directly to my Poloniex account. I do have receipts for some RX 470s that I bought last year and wondering if its sufficent. Do I need to take photos of my mining rigs and show it to my exchange as proof?
I know I can buy USDT tether but I am worried that its not really backed by anything. I also don't know if any of the Bitcoin Future Options will be sufficient since they might carry crazy premiums for the puts.
Wondering if people had issues withdrawing large amounts.
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[US-WA][H] 11-GPUs, My 2-in-1 Mobile Mining Rig [W] BTC/BCC/USD/PayPal

I have this posted on Craigslist at the moment, though I would be willing to ship as long as you're willing to piece it all back together once it all arrives, and pay for shipping lol.
I'll add the link so anybody can see photos, but I'll just copy/paste the entire listing below as well.
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/d/selling-11-gpu-mining-rig/6370381005.html
I'm selling my pride and joy of the last 4-6 months of my life, sadly I can't keep it in my apartment another day and have to hear my girlfriend nag about how much time I'm spending mining any longer.
This is really two separate rigs that I have combined into a single entity (see pictures for details).

RIG #1

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-Phoenix SLI CPU: 6th Gen. Intel Core i7-6800K (6-Core/12-Thread) (15M L3 Cache | 3.60 GHz) RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz (x2 for a total of 16GB) Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (w/2 Fans) PSU: Corsair HX1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum Grade Fully Modular GPU #1: MSI GTX 1060 Armor 6gb GDDR5 GPU #2: MSI GTX 1060 Armor 6gb GDDR5 GPU #3: MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6gb GDDR5 GPU #4: MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 6gb GDDR5 GPU #5: EVGA GTX 1060 6gb FTW (Tri-Fan) Risers: Explomos Multi-Powered USB 3.0 (VER 008S) <----Newest Model

HDD: 2.5" Laptop SATA 7200rpm 1.0 TB HDD w/Windows 10 Pro

RIG #2

Motherboard: Asrock H110 Pro BTC+ (x13 PCIe Slots) CPU: 7th Gen. Intel Celeron Dual Core @ 2.60 GHz RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR4 2400 MHz (x1 for a total of 8GB) PSU: Corsair HX1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum Grade Fully Modular GPU #1: MSI GTX 1060 OCV1 Mining Optimized 6GB GDDR5 GPU #2: MSI GTX 1060 OCV1 Mining Optimized 6GB GDDR5 GPU #3: MSI GTX 1060 OCV1 Mining Optimized 6GB GDDR5 GPU #4: EVGA GTX 1060 SC Gaming 6GB GDDR5 GPU #5: XFX RX 480 8GB RS Hard Swap Edition (Custom BIOS Mod for 29-31 MH/s + Undervolted for Lower Power Draw) GPU #6: Red Devil RX 480 8GB (Tri-Fan) (Custom BIOS Mod for 29-31 MH/s + Undervolted for Lower Power Draw) Risers: Explomos Multi-Powered USB 3.0 (VER 008S) <----Newest Model

HDD: Western Digital 7200rpm 500gb 2.5" Laptop SATA HDD w/Windows 10 Pro

The features that set this rig apart from most others is the fact that it is 100% portable and easy to move. Its compact design makes for an easy-to-manage mining experience, doubly so with the fact that the entire rig is on wheels! From RIG #1 to RIG #2 I have connected an Ethernet cable; doing this I am able to create a Bridged Network Adapter and effectively enable a constant internet connection to RIG #2 from RIG #1 without ever having to do anything more than simply power each device on. Of course, you'll have to have some way to give internet access to RIG #1 for this to work properly, though this should come as no problem considering RIG #1 has built-in Wi-Fi access, as well as a second Ethernet port on the motherboard.
If you're wondering how much effort you'll have to put in from the time you buy it and get home, I'll say that this rig takes absolutely ZERO effort to install. The entire rig is ran headless, with Teamviewer installed onto both rigs, so you don't have to have anything plug into it except for the x2 power cords from each PSU, and an Ethernet cord from your router into RIG #1. That's literally it. 3 plugs, then connect to each rig with Teamviewer from a separate device (there's an app for that).
This rig can literally mine anything you want, I have a multitude of mining software already available on the device, and custom made batch files in each folder so literally all it takes is for you to decide which coin you want to mine, then double click a single file and start raking in the coins!
Here are a few hashrates that you can expect to get if you choose to utilize all 11 GPUs to a single coin:
ETHEREUM (Ethash Algorithm) - 240 MH/s ZCASH (Equihash Algorithm) - 3300 sol/s NICEHASH (Auto Profit Switcher Software) - $20+/day in Bitcoin (which is over $7000 if you didn't know!)
I'd be happy to help you get everything squared away, and would honestly just like to see this thing go to somebody that will appreciate its glory. I spent a LOT of time building this rig, and I'm sad to have to see it go, but my girlfriend is constantly bitching about it and I'm beginning to procrastinate homework these days because of it, so sadly it is time to see it go...
I have about 90% of the original boxes that the hardware came in when I purchased it, and I've only had it up and running for about a month total, so there is massive life left to be enjoyed with this guy. With the way the crypto is going (or at least Bitcoin), it is a wise investment to get into it now while you still can ;)
SERIOUS BUYERS ONLY!!!!!
You may contact me either by email via this Craigslist listing, or by phone @ show contact info .
I will accept cash, PayPal (in-person ONLY), or Bitcoin/Ethereum and other Cryptocurrencies as form of payment.
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A Case for Multi-PoWs as the Next Step towards CryptoUtopia

Satoshi originally envisioned a decentralized global cryptocurrency landscape with Bitcoin, defined in part by instantaneous, international p2p transactions free from any 3rd party oversight, the open source development of the Bitcoin network, and a blockchain that can be kept secure by anyone in the world with a CPU (or GPU) with a built-in reward mechanism for participation and compensation for the cost of electricity.
What we are beginning to see is a deviation from the third point about decentralized mining--a major deviation. The industrialization of Bitcoin mining is squeezing out the little guy from participating in the Bitcoin network. Consequentially, this makes it likely that the impoverished countries and underbanked people that need Bitcoin the MOST will be the LAST to directly benefit from it. This seems all backwards, and despite the mining industry's attempt to convince us otherwise,1 we are at a crossroads with what the future of Bitcoin (and altcoin) mining should entail. Do we ramp up industrialization of ASICs to better secure the network at the cost of increasingly excluding the rest of the world from participating? Can the industrialization of ASICs really make them cheap enough to put in the hands of every man, woman, and child in the world? If so, how long will that take? Or is there a solution elsewhere in CryptoLand that can positively correlate enhanced security with inclusiveness?
Looking to CryptoLand, we find a an innovative yet fragmented environment marred mainly by exclusionary attributes. Putting clone/copy/spamcoins aside (no explanation needed), a pattern we see emerging with new altcoins is a push to create PoW algorithms designed to "be ASIC free." At first glance, this seems to be healthy advancement for CrytoLand as innovation is always a breath of fresh air. But upon further inspection I believe they might be just as unhealthy for CryptoLand than the clone/copy/spamcoins, but in a less obvious way. These new PoWs, while innovative and resourceful of cryptography research, unintentionally fragment the mining community with their game of ASIC "Keep Away". Each new PoW cryptocurrency is inherently excluding itself from the rest, creating a new "island" of miners in CryptoLand that have fled from the mainland. Naturally, they begin distinguishing themselves from the rest of the SHA256 and Scrypt miners both socially and technologically, perhaps even subconsciously pitting themselves against those on the mainland. While not the end of the world in an environment that is pushing the frontier, the fragmentation is enhanced as clone/copy/spamcoins immediately pop up on these islands using the same PoW under a different brand and attract more miners from the mainland with it. Furthermore, each altcoin with a new PoW naturally grows larger as development aims to attract and retain more miners for its network security and value. CryptoLand becomes characterized more by fragmentation and less by decentralization as time goes on. It's hard imagine how a solution for inclusiveness could be found in this type of environment, but fortunately one was born recently in the form of a modular, multi-PoW blockchain called MyriadCoin.
With the birth of Myriadcoin, multi-PoWs solve:
Mult-PoW cryptocurrencies will act as the bridge-builders between these island and the mainland, instantly transforming fragmentation into decentralization. Miners can coexist with ASICs in an inclusive blockchain that rewards miners of each PoW fairly. SHA256 ASICs cannot squeeze the GPU miners out from the network because SHA256 ASICs compete among each other, not among the others for 1/5 of the block rewards in Myriad. As a sanctuary from ASICs, GPU miners can choose between 4 other PoWs (Scrypt, Skein, Groestl, or Qubit) that each receive 1/5 of the newly minted coins, respectively. If Scrypt ASICs come on the scene, GPU miners can still choose from Skein, Groestl, or Qubit. If ASICs come on the scene for Skein, Groestl, and Qubit, the Myriad developers can switch out one of the algos for a new, non-ASICed PoW. The game is no longer "Keep Away." The game is "All Aboard".
Looking ahead, we know impoverished countries still don't have the luxury of GPU rigs to participate in any cryptocurrency network (let alone Bitcoin). Until a PoW system comes out that is as inclusive as possible (e.g. "human mining"; anyone with a cell phone can mine), we are still left with imperfect solutions that keep 1st world countries alienated from 2nd- and 3rd-world countries. But imagine, even if a PoW system like the one just mentioned, is invented, it would be the largest fragmentation to date since the mining industry at large won't suddenly cease operations. This PoW system would operate outside the bounds of Bitcoin, Litecoin, and all the other "mono-blockchains" that are inherently exclusive. But Myriad, with its modular, inclusive multi-PoW blockchain, can build a bridge to all the human miners by swapping in their groundbreaking PoW and instantly have the entire world securing the same global blockchain with fair rewards and equal distribution.
Multi-PoWs are the next step in converting an exclusionary, fragmented CryptoLand into an inclusive, decentralization CryptoUtopia.
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[SG] Stable 2.6 MH/s Scrypt Mining Rig

Photo Gallery - http://imgur.com/a/z9Wka#0
Your looking at a complete scrypt mining rig which mines or creates altcoins. This mining rig will create cryptocurrency such as Litecoin, Dogecoin, and more.
Currently selling this mining rig at 2100 USD which is a lot less than what I paid for the entire thing brand new. It has been mining dogecoin/litecoin/etc for 3 weeks and it turns out after my electric bill + summer time coming soon it will not be profitable for me as I pay .14 cents a kilowatt.
The mining rig was restarted every Friday for basic dusting and maintenance and purs like a kitten. Price is negotiable depending on the drive your willing to make to Dallas TX (PM for Location). The rig has been in my garage and has always had temps of 76-78 or lower.
One thing about this setup is you don't have to do a thing but sign up for the pool you want, type in your username/pass and your mining within minutes. No Setup required as i've gotten the perfect settings for each card on the rig. I've also placed each card to get maximum airflow without pulling heat from neighboring cards, henced the 280x angled upward to pull cooler air.
It is also setup to automatically reboot and start mining on it's own in case of a power outage. I can also disable this feature as that is what I prefer to do. I like manually starting my rig once a week to make sure things are running flawless.
These cards have all been undervolted, overclocked, and set up to be the most efficient and fast at what they do. Stability is key with mining cryptocurrency and I can proudly say this 2.6 MH/s mining rig has run a week at a time before I manually restart it to dust it. You can choose to let it mine tirelessly for as long as you want but I recommend dusting it often. I'm sure this baby can mine for months without being touched.
All or most hardware has original boxes.
Complete Scrypt Mining Rig With Aluminum Frame + Box Fan:
GPU's:
This does not come with a keyboard, monitor, or a mouse. I run this thing headless and directly remote in using splashtop so I have control of my rig wherever i'm at using my macbook.
I am willing to ship the rig taken apart in 1 Huge Box with all original boxes inside + hardware if you pay the shipping. It will be carefully packed and sent via UPS, you can also add insurance which will also be paid by you.
You can also meet me or come take a look at the rig if your interested, i'm located in Dallas Tx. PM me for exact address and phone number if interested.
I will accept Chase Instant Pay, Dogecoin, Bitcoin, or Litecoin.
I will not sell the rig in parts it's buy all or nothing.
Note: As you can see I have two instances of SGminer running, the mining program I use. This is because I use different settings for the Sapphire 280x's and different intensity/thread concurrency settings for the R9 versions of the cards which are the 290x/270.
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